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“Scholarly, pastoral, prophetic, and eloquent. The invitation to follow Jesus instead of worshiping Christ could not come at a more important time, or be issued by a more credible source.” — Desmond Tutu “Robin Meyers emerges in Saving Jesus from the Church as a national voice for a new Christianity. He is a well read scholar and a superb communicator. He writes with a refr “Scholarly, pastoral, prophetic, and eloquent. The invitation to follow Jesus instead of worshiping Christ could not come at a more important time, or be issued by a more credible source.” — Desmond Tutu “Robin Meyers emerges in Saving Jesus from the Church as a national voice for a new Christianity. He is a well read scholar and a superb communicator. He writes with a refreshing honesty and a disarming authority. This book is a treat.” — John Shelby Spong, author of Jesus for the Non-Religious Robin Meyers, a rising star of liberal Christianity, restores the true mission of the faith that captures the heart of Jesus’s concern for people over “right belief.” Saving Jesus from the Church will resonate deeply with those who enjoy the works of John Shelby Spong, Marcus Borg, and John Dominic Crossan.


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“Scholarly, pastoral, prophetic, and eloquent. The invitation to follow Jesus instead of worshiping Christ could not come at a more important time, or be issued by a more credible source.” — Desmond Tutu “Robin Meyers emerges in Saving Jesus from the Church as a national voice for a new Christianity. He is a well read scholar and a superb communicator. He writes with a refr “Scholarly, pastoral, prophetic, and eloquent. The invitation to follow Jesus instead of worshiping Christ could not come at a more important time, or be issued by a more credible source.” — Desmond Tutu “Robin Meyers emerges in Saving Jesus from the Church as a national voice for a new Christianity. He is a well read scholar and a superb communicator. He writes with a refreshing honesty and a disarming authority. This book is a treat.” — John Shelby Spong, author of Jesus for the Non-Religious Robin Meyers, a rising star of liberal Christianity, restores the true mission of the faith that captures the heart of Jesus’s concern for people over “right belief.” Saving Jesus from the Church will resonate deeply with those who enjoy the works of John Shelby Spong, Marcus Borg, and John Dominic Crossan.

30 review for Saving Jesus from the Church: How to Stop Worshiping Christ and Start Following Jesus

  1. 4 out of 5

    Rod Horncastle

    There is one word for this book: "EVIL" But at the same time: I think every Christian should be forced to read this. It's good to know what the enemy is up to. And especially how gullible most modern church goers really are. (hint: look at the Goodreads reviews - some are probably even Bible owning church dwellers). I've read lots of crazy books with heretical thoughts but I think this one wins. The saddest things is that so many book reviewers actually accept this scholarship as trustworthy. How p There is one word for this book: "EVIL" But at the same time: I think every Christian should be forced to read this. It's good to know what the enemy is up to. And especially how gullible most modern church goers really are. (hint: look at the Goodreads reviews - some are probably even Bible owning church dwellers). I've read lots of crazy books with heretical thoughts but I think this one wins. The saddest things is that so many book reviewers actually accept this scholarship as trustworthy. How pathetic. (they probably all consider Dan Brown's The Davinci Code to be a work of historical science.) Yes, the world has much comedy to answer for. Are you all unaware that there have been many great Bible scholars throughout history who deserve to be appreciated and considered before These Jesus Seminar TURDS? NO? I didn't think so. Satan has been very busy - be sure to check both sides of the story - lies are often very smooth and well presented. The first thing I like doing with books like this is seeing who APPROVES of its contents; that's where the funny begins. This one of course is high-five'd by Archbishop Desmond Tutu, Bill Moyers, John Shelby Spong and a few other comical wanna-be Bible scholars. Meyers quotes from every non-Christian (but desperate to be?) heretical scholarly source he can find. From John Dominic Crossan to Elaine Pagels to Bart Ehrman. These are scholarly names every Biblical Christian (and honest student) laughs at. Roughly equivalent to the Mad Magazine scholarship of liberal Christian know-it-alls. This quote gets right to the heart of the issue: Page 93. "To insist that 'Jesus was God' (the dominant American heresy) and that the only true resurrection is the bodily resurrection is not even biblically honest. What's more, it reverses the inclusionary model of Jesus and cuts us off from all those generous and compassionate latter-day gnostics for whom Easter is a spiritual, not a molecular, event.' According to my Bible (which I love and trust fully) I indeed want to be cut off from generous and compassionate gnostics. The Bible says we should not even allow them in our houses. 2 John 1:9 Beware of Deceivers …9Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son. 10If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house, and do not give him a greeting; 11for the one who gives him a greeting participates in his evil deeds. That sums it up. Don't tolerate this nonsense. I know many people will anyway. Here is why: 2 Timothy 4:3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, Now don't trust me. Read your time tested and approved Word of God (we call it the Bible) and compare Robin R. Meyers babblings to that of God's Word. Choose who you will serve. Most people will probably prefer Mr. Meyers itching ear crap. Such is life. I could quote 100's of passages from Meyer's poison. But does anyone really care? Most people have chosen before they even opened the book. My final comment: If Jesus did NOT die for your sins - then you still got a HELL-OF-A-LOT of sins to work with. Satan will be proud of your efforts. Here's a hilarious parting quote: page 90 "But this is a book meant not to do further harm to the church-rather to help reconstitute it." But there is nothing left of Jesus after Meyers has reconstituted him into a Buddha type wandering hippy of spiritual wisdom Guruness. There is no God left to worship. Just Meyers personal Guru opinions. (I can't believe Meyers ever had a church full of people that listen to him. It's a freakin' crazy universe.)

  2. 4 out of 5

    Megan Yvette Barrett

    Incredible. A must read for all Christians and agnostics/atheists who have always found Jesus the man more incredible than Christ the "son of man." Incredible. A must read for all Christians and agnostics/atheists who have always found Jesus the man more incredible than Christ the "son of man."

  3. 4 out of 5

    Janice

    Robin Meyers has put into words what I have been struggling to articulate since childhood. Thank You!

  4. 4 out of 5

    Walter

    This is a fantastic book - always thoughtful, inclusive and well-intentioned, as well as challenging and heretical at times. In short, Rev. Robin Meyers has a unique view of Christian spirituality and communicates this in a fascinating, maddening, uplifiting and compelling way. Ostensibly, Rev. Meyers is a (very?) liberal Protestant. Yet, given his view of the need for Christians to return to the original practice of the faith, he might also be considered a conservative (or purist) of sorts. Esse This is a fantastic book - always thoughtful, inclusive and well-intentioned, as well as challenging and heretical at times. In short, Rev. Robin Meyers has a unique view of Christian spirituality and communicates this in a fascinating, maddening, uplifiting and compelling way. Ostensibly, Rev. Meyers is a (very?) liberal Protestant. Yet, given his view of the need for Christians to return to the original practice of the faith, he might also be considered a conservative (or purist) of sorts. Essentially, the author's primary theme is that there is a difference between being a follower of Jesus and being a Christian. The latter subscribe to "transactional" faith proffered by the modern church, espousing a set of (quasi-)theological propositions/"beliefs" in this world in exchange for (eternal) benefits in the next. By contrast, 'true' followers of Jesus understand His teachings and emulate His example, mindful that "a Jewish man whose brief and tragic life was a metaparable and living proof that St. Irenaeus was right when he said, 'The Glory of God is a human being fully alive.'" He continues on this theme to take the institutional church to task for what he perceives to be a separation of Jesus, "an itinerant Galilean sage," from Christ, the divine savior. Essentially, he argues that in making Christ fully divine - a concept that was not originally associated with Jesus but was added to his developing legacy as the Gospels were written - the church has separated Him from us. Since he's perfect, of/from God, we can believe in him, but we cannot be like him and so end up espousing a (largely church-created) faith in His name but not following his example. By contrast, Rev. Meyers urges that "Christians" revert to being followers of Jesus along the lines of the original disciples and adherents who formed an inclusive, beloved and non-hierarchical community dedicated to emulating Jesus's example, even, potentially, to death. He also warns against the reality that, in contrast to the Jesus movement of antiquity, the modern church is more often associated with the powers that be and with preserving the status quo that serves the latter's interests. He urges that the church return to its subversive roots, reminding readers that Jesus was actually crucified because he was a threat to the established order of his time, not a protector of it. As he notes, "As for seeking power, Christianity is a faith that was born at the margins of society, and it has always been most effective when it speaks from the margins." He goes on to examine the scriptures and how a number of the tenets of modern Christianity were developed (largely to serve the temporal interests of the developing church) but are not authentic aspects of the wisdom of Jesus. He parses concepts like the Blood Atonement, the physical Resurrection and the divinity of Jesus and helps us to understand that, following their theological/allegorical meaning, they can be reinterpreted in a way that strengthens faith rather than forces true believers to suspend disbelief or skeptics into atheism because they can't make the leaps of illogic. He further chides the church for a lack of honesty that it uses to engender a manipulative fear amongst its members. As Rev. Meyers points out, none of us really knows what happens when we die, so the church owes it to its members to be honest about this and to stop selling its transactional version of faith, which the author describes as "an intellectual assent to propositional statements," reducing its members to "a fearful and ignorant people looking for favors in exchange for beliefs." As he differentiates spirituality from (institutional) religion, Rev. Meyers offers a compelling and contrasting vision. He espouses the return to the roots of the Jesus Movement when its adherents strove to emulate the earthly example of their departed and yet spiritually resurrected leader. In so doing, we can access "the grace that brings radical freedom and the end of striving. Faith is something we do, against the odds, in loving defiance to a world gone mad. We do not become a good person by believing in God; we become a good person by loving God, especially the God we meet in every living thing." And thereby we can experience the timeless and eternal in this world (and maybe the next as well). Accordingly, his vision is for a new/renewed church, modeled after the early faith (and before it became an institution). "In the emerging church, faith will not be a transaction (benefits for beliefs) but a beloved community in which the rewards of I-Thou relationships are intrinsic. Love will be its own reward, and the church will stand by its most sacred duty - to slay the self in service to Something More.... latter day disciples will have an opportunity to be resurrected in this world, rather than the next." In sum, this book has something for everyone along the spirituality spectrum, so I recommend it highly. If you are a person of faith but with doubts, it will acknowledge and address these thoughtfully, confident that "Christianity requires no sacrifice of the intellect; it can withstand any question we dare to ask and any answer we are brave enough, in the service of truth, to offer." If you are a person without active faith - either agnostic or atheist - it will present opportunities to reexamine the faith of the followers of Jesus in a way that may lead you back to it, or, at least, not to reject it out of hand. If you are a "true believer," it will challenge your fundamentalism/literalism mightily and, perhaps, encourage you to be more open and, therefore, more comfortably a practicioner (as opposed to believer). In short, because it's such a thoughtful, heretical and yet encouraging book, Rev. Meyers's work will inform and elevate all readers, irrespective of spiritual bent or cant. Read it, appreciate it and be evolved by it....

  5. 5 out of 5

    Phil

    I feel rather conflcted about this book, largely because I was ready to throw it out the bedroom window when I first started and was prepared to mostly agree with the last half of it. Robin Meyers attempts to 'save' the human Jesus from the distortions (he feels) which create the divine Christ in the imaginations of many of his (evangelical) supporters. This latest entry in the religious culture wars, even while disavowing those wars, really represents an extended polemic against the excesses of I feel rather conflcted about this book, largely because I was ready to throw it out the bedroom window when I first started and was prepared to mostly agree with the last half of it. Robin Meyers attempts to 'save' the human Jesus from the distortions (he feels) which create the divine Christ in the imaginations of many of his (evangelical) supporters. This latest entry in the religious culture wars, even while disavowing those wars, really represents an extended polemic against the excesses of traditional Christianity, especially in its evangelical form. The result is a large amount of doctrinal bath water being thrown out for no particularly good reason. Much of the bathwater being thrown out occurs because Meyers cannot conceive of anyone who might actually find value in such things as the Incarnation, the Trinity or, indeed, even any atonement theory who also may believe in social justice, environmental issues and community. The result is a set of binary oppositions which not only are not necessary, but also distort what many Christians continue to believe. The harping upon the critical superiority of the exegesis of the Jesus Seminar does little for me as well, so that hardly helps my mood. Yet, as soon as one gets past the doctrinal issues and into the area of practice, Meyers isn't far from being right. His condemnation of the prosperity gospel is particularly good and his suspicion of American patriotism in the expression of American Christianity is also well taken. So, I'm left with ambivalence and a feeling that 'not everything Meyers says is necessarily wrong; as my overall opinion of this book.

  6. 5 out of 5

    Jess Dollar

    This book was SO FREAKING GOOD I finally learned how to highlight with my Kindle in order to save passages. And I saved a LOT of passages! Problem is, it's a library book so I need to either buy it or re-borrow it every time I want to look at my highlights. Normally I would write them all down in my reading notebook but there are just too many awesome things highlighted in this book to be transposed. Where I am coming from: I am not religious, am not a Christian, but love religion and love the g This book was SO FREAKING GOOD I finally learned how to highlight with my Kindle in order to save passages. And I saved a LOT of passages! Problem is, it's a library book so I need to either buy it or re-borrow it every time I want to look at my highlights. Normally I would write them all down in my reading notebook but there are just too many awesome things highlighted in this book to be transposed. Where I am coming from: I am not religious, am not a Christian, but love religion and love the good things that religion can do. I struggle mightily with the Christian community surrounding me. Seems more like a bunch of white people going to a fancy country club every Sunday that excludes people on the margins. It's entitlement, not enlightenment, as the book put it. It seems that all that matters these days is being saved, not actually following what Jesus said. And that deeply troubles me. It's so reassuring to see that there are other Christians out there demanding more from themselves as faithful people. Being a Christian should be hard, not as easy as accepting Jesus as your personal savior. It should challenge you to seek wisdom, not answers. This book is a good start for those looking for more from their religiosity.

  7. 5 out of 5

    Themarie

    Definitely a must-read for liberal Christians who are up for the challenge as told in the title: to stop worshiping Christ the "son of God", and start following Jesus the teacher. Definitely a must-read for liberal Christians who are up for the challenge as told in the title: to stop worshiping Christ the "son of God", and start following Jesus the teacher.

  8. 5 out of 5

    Lynne

    Unfortunately, another "Remove God from Jesus and all will be well" book (too bad it isn't biblical). Too bad; I'd hoped for much better. Unfortunately, another "Remove God from Jesus and all will be well" book (too bad it isn't biblical). Too bad; I'd hoped for much better.

  9. 4 out of 5

    Daniel

    Excellent in so many ways... worth a re-read just to take it all in.

  10. 4 out of 5

    Joseph Soltero

    Another reviewer said it best... "mixed feelings". I appreciate and believe in the overall core message of this book. The institutional church, if it is to speak to an emerging generation, needs to emphasize more the act of following Jesus, i.e., feeding the poor, clothing the hungry, healing the sick (and not just physically), reaching out to the outcast, rather than focus on the worship of Christ. That being said, there are very serious errors in this book that led me to take it with a grain of Another reviewer said it best... "mixed feelings". I appreciate and believe in the overall core message of this book. The institutional church, if it is to speak to an emerging generation, needs to emphasize more the act of following Jesus, i.e., feeding the poor, clothing the hungry, healing the sick (and not just physically), reaching out to the outcast, rather than focus on the worship of Christ. That being said, there are very serious errors in this book that led me to take it with a grain of salt. MITHRAISM AND EASTERN ORTHODOX CHRISTMAS The first is Meyers' claims about Mithraism on p. 26 of this edition. In fact the first full paragraph on that page is so full of errors that it made me want to stop reading. Simply put, there is no evidence to support all the Christian-like titles ascribed to Mithras. Furthermore, Eastern Orthodox Christmas does NOT occur on January 6. It's on December 25th but of the Julian Calendar, which for us Gregorian-calendar users is January 7 (not 6!). JESUS' DEATH AS SACRIFICE In Chapter 3, Meyers suggests that the Gospel of Mark is responsible for later doctrines that Jesus' death was a substitutionary atonement for our sins, thereby ignoring the words of Paul in Romans 3:25, 5:9, writing decades before Mark. DUALISM Moreover, on page 105, Meyers writes: “Dualism is deadly, however —whether in biblical studies, human relationships, or foreign policy. The tendency of human beings to see life as a simple choice between opposing and irreconcilable states is, at best, falsely comforting. At worst, it is apocalyptic. Perhaps we like things to be simple because real life is not. It is difficult, confusing, even terrifying.” But read the book carefully. There are tons of places where Meyers presents dualistic thought, such as when, on p. 165, he writes: “In short, the church must make a crucial choice now between wisdom theology and salvation theology —between the Jesus who transforms and the Christ who saves. One is the biblical ethic of justice; the other is a postbiblical invention that came to fullness only after the Protestant Reformation.” THE CHURCH I have to remind myself of Meyers' location. Christianity in Oklahoma is probably not as pluralistic as, say, the more liberal Northeast. But in concentrating on all the things the institutional church has done wrong, he ignores the things the church has done right. For starters, traditional worship has inspired thousands of people across generations to compose beautiful poetry and sacred music. True, what good is music when people are starving? But creativity and exploration are valid parts of the human experience too. At the beginning of Chapter 7, he criticizes what he calls the church's modern "dating game" with people. People shop around for a church, find one, and if they're both compatible, they continue seeing each other. If not, then they part ways, free to visit another church. No, Meyers says. Attending a church should not be a rough ride, to use the airplane metaphor Meyers employs, and attendees should be warned not to expect "smooth air". Quoting Annie Dillard, Meyers agrees that "ushers should... lash us to our pews." Meyers forgets that all of these things have happened. History is filled with the cruel sins of the institutional church, pressuring the faithful to attend Mass, forcing them to obey its doctrines, excommunicating and/or executing those who disagreed. I'd rather have the "dating game" than return to that. In short, I'd still recommend this book. Its message is important, its rhetoric is symmetrical and powerful, but don't take it as the final, authoritative word of the emerging church.

  11. 5 out of 5

    Patrick M.

    It's funny. If you turned this book into a questionnaire, I'd probably agree with 90-95% of the positions therein. And I've been known to express some of the same sentiments probably even more forcefully and bitingly than Myers does. So why can I only give it two stars? Well, I think Rev. Myers has a case of blogger's disease. I don't even know if he blogs, but he sure sounds like a professional blogger or (maybe worse) a professional Internet commenter - always ready for debate and always on th It's funny. If you turned this book into a questionnaire, I'd probably agree with 90-95% of the positions therein. And I've been known to express some of the same sentiments probably even more forcefully and bitingly than Myers does. So why can I only give it two stars? Well, I think Rev. Myers has a case of blogger's disease. I don't even know if he blogs, but he sure sounds like a professional blogger or (maybe worse) a professional Internet commenter - always ready for debate and always on the attack. Myers obviously dislikes Christian fundamentalism, which is fine, but he doesn't seem to realize that he comes off as a fundamentalist himself - just of another kind. He's still playing on the same field and by the same rules as his opponents, and in places starts to become a mirror image of them. It's largely a book of apologetics, which can be entertaining in small doses, but hard to take in large amounts. The structures, attitudes (win at all costs, snark and ridicule, etc) and techniques are the same, whether it's Catholic, Calvinist, New Atheist, or "progressive" Christian - only the content differs. Maybe it's just me - I have a certain limit for a lot of Internet discourse. And it's been a while since I largely lost my faith in argumentation and debate (there's such a thing as winning an argument logically and rationally but still coming off as a jerk, which I eventually decided just wasn't worth it). But imagine a 231-page viral Facebook post during election season, and you're getting close to how this book reads. There are pages after pages where every third sentence is a quip or an attempt at a cutting witticism, the kind that fits nicely on Twitter. For example, in his chapter on Jesus' resurrection, he continually (and I mean *continually*) uses the phrase "resuscitated (sp?) corpse". Over and over and over and over and over. By the 15th or 20th use of the phrase, it becomes clear that he's driving home a point hard. I get it - I don't agree with it, but I get it. What I wonder is how his parishioners who might believe in a bodily resurrection feel. It's not just that Myers doesn't like it - it's that he takes a metaphorical flamethrower to the idea, dancing on its ashes and (to steal a phrase from John Powers) being a "sore winner", rubbing it in people's faces, implying in several places that they're somehow morally or psychologically deficient for believing what he doesn't. The saddest part is that I quite liked Myers' most recent book, "The Underground Church", where he made a lot of the same points (and told a few of the very same stories) here, but without nearly so much blogginess to the writing.

  12. 5 out of 5

    Aaron

    This is certainly one of those books you have to read with an open mind... dissecting the facts, considering the reasoning, and accepting his or forming your own opinions. As a highly educated minister, Meyers digs deep - cracking the bedrock of many assumptions about basic Christian beliefs. If you read this with a grumpy face, you'll miss a lot. As a philosopher, he questions many important things. Is "faith" the same as "belief"? And what are the differences and the redemptive qualities of eac This is certainly one of those books you have to read with an open mind... dissecting the facts, considering the reasoning, and accepting his or forming your own opinions. As a highly educated minister, Meyers digs deep - cracking the bedrock of many assumptions about basic Christian beliefs. If you read this with a grumpy face, you'll miss a lot. As a philosopher, he questions many important things. Is "faith" the same as "belief"? And what are the differences and the redemptive qualities of each? Are we transformed by judging the world or by physically changing it for the better? Does our salvation come from accepting certain statements as fact, or by living out our faith through correcting the injustices of hunger, poverty, and illness? Even on topics where I didn't agree with his reasoning or conclusions, he caused me to think nonetheless - something vitally important. For instance: what is more of a miracle - that Jesus was born part-God of a virgin Mary, or that he lived a 100% human life so true to God that he BECAME the son of God? We would expect that even a half-God could perform miracles and live perfectly, but is that really a miracle? Is that a "Jesus" we can truly follow and strive to be like? Obviously, Meyers doesn't just ask a bunch of questions - he brings Biblical scholarship to the table that allows us to respect and be even more thankful for such a Holy Book. And he strips away a lot of the folklore we've placed on the Bible during the years after it was written. Towards the end of the book, Meyers gets a little too philosophical for my taste, and there were some implications that I voluntarily ignored (that's the great thing about being an independent thinker). But for the most part, what I liked the most is that Meyers has both set a great example for and is making a call for a relevant Church that does real good in the world as its Primary Objective, instead of bickering about theological disputes and appeasing the fear and guilt and self-centered obsession with personal salvation. Obviously, if we're DOING the actual things Jesus commanded instead of merely AGREEING with them, then salvation is in the bucket.

  13. 4 out of 5

    Don

    I have always had an aversion to creeds and the "I believe" obsession of many churches. I especially have a problem with the blood atonement doctrine. Meyers offers an interesting alternative to this mind set that has me rethinking my faith. I have always had an aversion to creeds and the "I believe" obsession of many churches. I especially have a problem with the blood atonement doctrine. Meyers offers an interesting alternative to this mind set that has me rethinking my faith.

  14. 4 out of 5

    Sarah Martinez

    Definitely drags you out of your comfort zone and makes you THINK. Something we all need from time to time.

  15. 4 out of 5

    Wilson

    I can’t recommend this book to anyone due to its weak content and a religious book that is written out of context. The theology basis of this book fails to emulate the teachings in the Bible and is in fact in contrary to it, which is very dangerous false teaching lurking around in the church. This has got to be the most disappointing book I’ve ever read and couldn’t get past the first two chapters.

  16. 4 out of 5

    Laurel Bradshaw

    As a lifelong UCC/Congregationalist, the author is preaching to the choir here. This is not a book that will change the beliefs of fundamentalist Christians, but does provide "moral support" and perhaps some talking points for those of us who have often felt dismayed at being marginalized as "not TRUE Christians" for our emphasis on social justice rather than personal salvation. This is not a "new" Christianity, but a restoration of the original "intent" of Jesus, as far as I am concerned. It is As a lifelong UCC/Congregationalist, the author is preaching to the choir here. This is not a book that will change the beliefs of fundamentalist Christians, but does provide "moral support" and perhaps some talking points for those of us who have often felt dismayed at being marginalized as "not TRUE Christians" for our emphasis on social justice rather than personal salvation. This is not a "new" Christianity, but a restoration of the original "intent" of Jesus, as far as I am concerned. It is refreshing to read an impassioned defense from someone who shares my point of view. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- “With crisply prophetic joy, Meyers calls seekers and believers alike to leave belief about God behind in favor of becoming imitators of Jesus. We can save Jesus from the church, and in doing so, recreate faith communities freed from hypocrisy and filled with hope.” (Diana Butler Bass, author of Christianity for the Rest of Us ) “Robin Meyers emerges in Saving Jesus from the Church as a national voice for a new Christianity. He is a well read scholar and a superb communicator. He writes with a refreshing honesty and a disarming authority. This book is a treat.” (John Shelby Spong, author of Jesus for the Non-Religious ) “In a progressive rather than negatively critical mode, in strong contrast to much of Far Right Protestantism, pastor/NPR commentator Meyers (philosophy, Oklahoma City Univ.) suggests with typical elegance that a recovery of true Christianity emphasizes compassion over condemnation, blessing over sin, and equity over individual prosperity. Highly recommended.” (Library Journal, starred review ) “The time is right for this book and this book is right for the time.” (Fred B. Craddock, Bandy Distinguished Professor of Preaching and New Testament Emeritus, Emory University ) “Meyers’ insightful and provocative critique of contemporary Christianity will stimulate energetic theologizing: deconstruction, reconstruction, or impassioned defense of the inherited tradition. Thank you, Robin, for convening this urgently needed conversation.” (Dr. James A. Forbes, Jr., president and founder of The Healing of the Nations Foundation ) “A perceptive book . . . Not many authors can present such progressive ideas and still come across as reasonable and loving. Meyers masters such a task.” (Oklahoma City Oklahoman ) “Every once in a while, a book comes along that changes everything. This is the book. It is scholarly, pastoral, prophetic, and eloquent--all in equal measure. Robin Meyers has spoken truth to power, and the church he loves will never be the same.” (Desmond Tutu )

  17. 4 out of 5

    Robert

    A thought provoking, bold book - a joy to read - well-written in a sermon like rhetorical style. This is memorable "preaching". Meyer's emphasis is almost exclusively on "following" Jesus rather than "worshipping" him - on the historical Jesus, the revolutionary Jewish peasant, rather than on the "Logos" or the sacrificial "Lamb of God". He regards ethics rather than theology as the essence of Christianity. Boldly argues against orthodox dogmas - especially original sin, the blood atonement, ind A thought provoking, bold book - a joy to read - well-written in a sermon like rhetorical style. This is memorable "preaching". Meyer's emphasis is almost exclusively on "following" Jesus rather than "worshipping" him - on the historical Jesus, the revolutionary Jewish peasant, rather than on the "Logos" or the sacrificial "Lamb of God". He regards ethics rather than theology as the essence of Christianity. Boldly argues against orthodox dogmas - especially original sin, the blood atonement, individual salvation. His thought is heavily influenced by Buber, Tillich and Bultmann - often reducing Christian spirituality to a vague "I-Thou" relationship to an ever vaguer "Ground of Being". Still, Meyers regards Jesus as a reflection of God, as one whose life example and message of compassion, of inclusion, of social responsibility, can transform personal and societal relationships, can create communion, can build the "Kingdom of God" on earth, a reign of compassion and social justice. Perhaps that is sufficient in the modern secular age - an age that has no use for supernatural stories. The Bible and the "Christ" of tradition are viewed by Meyers as "mythical", as profound truths expressed poetically, as truth too deep for rational verbalization - but he fails to appreciate the role of ritual in conveying those myths, safeguarding them, incarnating them, making them internally real, heartfelt. Meyers also neglects spirituality - does not seem to fully value man's need for the numinous moment, the feeling of connectedness, of been of "one substance" with the transcendent - his need to feel that somehow, in some mysterious way, he is valued, is loved, by "all that is".

  18. 4 out of 5

    Louis

    As even the title shows, Meyers is talented at including witty sayings that grab one's attention. Yet, when one looks beyond these, there still is substance to Meyers position. The biggest criticism I would hold for the book is that Meyers has a distorted perspective of where most Biblical scholars stands. He often writes as if more progressive Biblical scholarship has won out as the dominant view among scholars, even is not the dominant position held by most pastors and lay people. While the Bi As even the title shows, Meyers is talented at including witty sayings that grab one's attention. Yet, when one looks beyond these, there still is substance to Meyers position. The biggest criticism I would hold for the book is that Meyers has a distorted perspective of where most Biblical scholars stands. He often writes as if more progressive Biblical scholarship has won out as the dominant view among scholars, even is not the dominant position held by most pastors and lay people. While the Biblical scholarship world is arguably more progressive than most ministers or lay people, the dominant position seems to be more moderate with a larger number of conservative scholars than what Meyers acknowledges. A primary emphasis of the book was Meyers argument that individualism has greatly changed and distorted the Christian message, which I would argue is quite evident. However, Meyers then takes this and addresses many very practical issues. The main theme of the book is that the church has emphasized belief in Christ more than following Jesus. This, according to Meyters, has caused the church to become much less potent in the world. Although his theological arguments on this issue would concern some, the message of returning to following Jesus is important regardless of whether one agrees with Meyers theology about Christ. Christianity must become more socially engaged in a compassionate, caring manner, such as Jesus modeled for us. We spend too much time fighting over theology and too little time doing the work of Jesus.

  19. 5 out of 5

    Jeff

    I am still struggling with the possibility of letting go of my belief in Jesus' virgin birth and bodily resurrection, but I can see where the Church has used His "Christ-ness" to overshadow what He said as a Rabbi. It's much easier to "be washed in the blood" than to take up your cross and follow Yeshua. It's easier to be a Christian Soldier, worshipping an "Awesome God" than to do what He says, giving up material things and showing true compassion for our neighbors (which include undocumented al I am still struggling with the possibility of letting go of my belief in Jesus' virgin birth and bodily resurrection, but I can see where the Church has used His "Christ-ness" to overshadow what He said as a Rabbi. It's much easier to "be washed in the blood" than to take up your cross and follow Yeshua. It's easier to be a Christian Soldier, worshipping an "Awesome God" than to do what He says, giving up material things and showing true compassion for our neighbors (which include undocumented aliens, Muslims, prisoners, etc). It's easier for a church to sell the social and exclusivity (we're in - they're not) aspects of membership than to have its adherents throw all their possessions into the commons for all to use (that sounds like communism to me!). As the title says, Rev. Meyers outlines how worshiping Christ gets in the way of following Jesus, and shows us a way back. I highly recommend this book to anyone seeking the real sage from Galilee.

  20. 4 out of 5

    George Miles

    This book was hard to read in that it was very challenging and made me think - a lot. And I ultimately did not agree with everything Meyers had to say. So why the 5 stars? Because this book was hard to read in that it was very challenging and made me think - a lot. And I ultimately did not agree with everything Meyers had to say. The concept of a difference between worshiping Christ and following Jesus is one with which I have been at least somewhat familiar for over 25 years. And pretty much agr This book was hard to read in that it was very challenging and made me think - a lot. And I ultimately did not agree with everything Meyers had to say. So why the 5 stars? Because this book was hard to read in that it was very challenging and made me think - a lot. And I ultimately did not agree with everything Meyers had to say. The concept of a difference between worshiping Christ and following Jesus is one with which I have been at least somewhat familiar for over 25 years. And pretty much agreed with. I do even more now 25+ years later. And particularly after reading Meyers' book. I still don't buy everything Meyers says - he sets things up too "either-or" for me; he creates more dichotomy than I like or am comfortable with. I am very glad I read this book. And I hope to continue to change how I act and treat other people because I read it and believe that following Jesus is the "right" way to be a Christian.

  21. 5 out of 5

    M Christopher

    Having met Robin Meyers and heard him speak, I was very disappointed in this book. While I found parts of it apt and even important, the overwhelming impression I was left with was of another classic liberal theologian pontificating with classic liberal arrogance on the basis of timeworn "revolutionary new theology" that only seminary students find interesting any more. I am assured by friends that his second book, The Underground Church, is far more like the Rev. Dr. Meyers I met and heard -- wi Having met Robin Meyers and heard him speak, I was very disappointed in this book. While I found parts of it apt and even important, the overwhelming impression I was left with was of another classic liberal theologian pontificating with classic liberal arrogance on the basis of timeworn "revolutionary new theology" that only seminary students find interesting any more. I am assured by friends that his second book, The Underground Church, is far more like the Rev. Dr. Meyers I met and heard -- wise, practical, humble and loving. I'm looking forward to reading that book. In the meantime, I recommend this book only to those who are looking for an excuse to be aggravated or to those for whom classic liberalism and the Jesus Seminar are still seen as the answers to all that ails the Church. I prefer my progressiveness a bit more nuanced.

  22. 5 out of 5

    Constance Chevalier

    This book leaves me with a profound understanding of what it should be "to follow Jesus, not worship Christ" with so much indepth, theological wisdom and explanation! I must have my own copy to highlight and tell others about. Reading the Prologue hooked me. The Epilogue left me wanting to read this UCC minister's other books. He includes understandings of Reinhold Niebuhr, W.H. Auden, Tillich, and others. I like how he defines our 'Galilean sage', includes the Gospel of Thomas and refers to Bib This book leaves me with a profound understanding of what it should be "to follow Jesus, not worship Christ" with so much indepth, theological wisdom and explanation! I must have my own copy to highlight and tell others about. Reading the Prologue hooked me. The Epilogue left me wanting to read this UCC minister's other books. He includes understandings of Reinhold Niebuhr, W.H. Auden, Tillich, and others. I like how he defines our 'Galilean sage', includes the Gospel of Thomas and refers to Bible passages throughout, and even acknowledges the Didache. I see why I found refuge in the UCC system early on....it is the most liberal Protestant recognized church. I understand now why I don't like the rituals of the Catholic church and its creeds. He explains so much of the history of 'church' that everything makes so much sense and I will always be with the United Church of Christ.

  23. 4 out of 5

    Lynn S

    This book is definite not an orthodox take on Christianity. The author calls the virgin birth and other staples of Christian teaching into question. At the same time, the book is a powerful argument for following the teachings of Jesus (no Christ). It removes the veil of church traditions, the focus on Christ, and the teachings of organized religions. It instead brings the teachings of Jesus to the fore and reminds us of the two most important commandments: Love the Lord God and love your neighbo This book is definite not an orthodox take on Christianity. The author calls the virgin birth and other staples of Christian teaching into question. At the same time, the book is a powerful argument for following the teachings of Jesus (no Christ). It removes the veil of church traditions, the focus on Christ, and the teachings of organized religions. It instead brings the teachings of Jesus to the fore and reminds us of the two most important commandments: Love the Lord God and love your neighbor as yourself. Those teachings are truly radical, and if we all followed them, we could change the world. If you're a Bible literalist, skip this. If you want a thought provoking book to read about the message of Jesus, read and think.

  24. 5 out of 5

    Bo Gordy-Stith

    Drank it up in a little over a day. Meyers describes the shape of a new reformation: a church that lives its love for Jesus by loving others and creation unconditionally - rather than a gatekeeper for those who want to "believe things in order to get things." As a United Methodist pastor for 25 years, I could relate to many of the stories and lessons learned Meyers shares about pulpits, living rooms and hospital rooms. As a passionate disciple and follower of Jesus, the unorthodox path Meyers de Drank it up in a little over a day. Meyers describes the shape of a new reformation: a church that lives its love for Jesus by loving others and creation unconditionally - rather than a gatekeeper for those who want to "believe things in order to get things." As a United Methodist pastor for 25 years, I could relate to many of the stories and lessons learned Meyers shares about pulpits, living rooms and hospital rooms. As a passionate disciple and follower of Jesus, the unorthodox path Meyers describes to follow our calling to be the body of Christ rings frighteningly and compellingly true. The new reformation is upon us, whether we like it or not. Meyers describes a vision of how Jesus inspires it.

  25. 5 out of 5

    Kit

    I picked this book up for the cover. I don't think I'm Meyers' target audience, which I would say is people who admire the social parts of the Christian message but are stopped from identifying themselves as Christian because they can't believe in the virgin birth or the resurrection. Meyers doesn't advance any new theology - it's pretty much all quoted directly from Matthew Fox and Shelby Spong. Instead, he argues that those who agree with him should take the church back from people who require I picked this book up for the cover. I don't think I'm Meyers' target audience, which I would say is people who admire the social parts of the Christian message but are stopped from identifying themselves as Christian because they can't believe in the virgin birth or the resurrection. Meyers doesn't advance any new theology - it's pretty much all quoted directly from Matthew Fox and Shelby Spong. Instead, he argues that those who agree with him should take the church back from people who require belief in doctrine rather than commitment to a life of discipleship. It's not badly written, but I'm not sure how many people will be interested in buying what he's selling.

  26. 5 out of 5

    Georgia

    At first I wasn't sure about this book. I'm a Done. A Christian who has left organized religion after many, many years and became a Christian who follows Jesus. Meyers book offers an alternative to leaving organized religion. Staying and following Jesus. Many call his church liberal, but in all honesty his church is following the teaching of Jesus much more than most in organized religion who tend to follow Paul's teaching while ignoring the teaching of Jesus. As if Jesus our Lord and Paul the m At first I wasn't sure about this book. I'm a Done. A Christian who has left organized religion after many, many years and became a Christian who follows Jesus. Meyers book offers an alternative to leaving organized religion. Staying and following Jesus. Many call his church liberal, but in all honesty his church is following the teaching of Jesus much more than most in organized religion who tend to follow Paul's teaching while ignoring the teaching of Jesus. As if Jesus our Lord and Paul the man are equal. I still prefer staying away and following Jesus as a Done, but I highly recommend this book to all people Christian and non-Christian alike.

  27. 5 out of 5

    Wayne Siggelkow

    Incredibly educational read which reveals so much history regarding the development of the early church and the bible. It was a challenging read as Meyers conclusions and personal beliefs surprised me intially for a professor of New Testament. However I discovered great truths that helped me understand so many things in a new way, that for me, instead of wanting to shun my faith, it has freed me to embrace faith in a far more authentic way by not having to ignore and justify things that had prev Incredibly educational read which reveals so much history regarding the development of the early church and the bible. It was a challenging read as Meyers conclusions and personal beliefs surprised me intially for a professor of New Testament. However I discovered great truths that helped me understand so many things in a new way, that for me, instead of wanting to shun my faith, it has freed me to embrace faith in a far more authentic way by not having to ignore and justify things that had previously been obatacles to honest holistic faith.

  28. 4 out of 5

    Thurlow Weed

    Very insightful. The Church has, for the most part, forgotten about the critical importance of the teachings of Jesus. It prefers to focus on doctrines and theologies, rather than focusing the practical application of Jesus' directives and teachings. Robin illustrates for us how we can get back to the essentials of walking in the path Jesus guided us to, that path that too often the Church has lead us away from. Very insightful. The Church has, for the most part, forgotten about the critical importance of the teachings of Jesus. It prefers to focus on doctrines and theologies, rather than focusing the practical application of Jesus' directives and teachings. Robin illustrates for us how we can get back to the essentials of walking in the path Jesus guided us to, that path that too often the Church has lead us away from.

  29. 5 out of 5

    Matthew Kern

    The first time I came across Robin Meyers I was watching his Beecher Lectures from 2013 on YouTube (here is the first of the 3 part series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8gkZ...). He is compelling and challenging. His modus operandi is to be defiant in order to allow us to be more like Jesus. So, when I picked up this book suggested by a coworker I was not surprised by the defiant and unorthodox views found in the book, but they still are powerful and compelling nonetheless. With a title lik The first time I came across Robin Meyers I was watching his Beecher Lectures from 2013 on YouTube (here is the first of the 3 part series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8gkZ...). He is compelling and challenging. His modus operandi is to be defiant in order to allow us to be more like Jesus. So, when I picked up this book suggested by a coworker I was not surprised by the defiant and unorthodox views found in the book, but they still are powerful and compelling nonetheless. With a title like "Saving Jesus from the Church: How to Stop Worshiping Christ and Start Following Jesus" you know you are in for a ride. The core idea that Meyers is promoting is found in the title. He is preaching for us to put aside a version of the gospel that tells us to just believe in the Christ that came and died for us, and instead become disciples of the life of Jesus. He states, "Jesus did not come to die, rendering his life and teaching secondary. He died because of his life and teachings. He was killed for the things that he said and did. Then the claim of his first followers and his first community is that God raised him from the dead to undo the injustice done to him and to place a divine stamp of approval on his words and deeds.... Placing all the emphasis on the saving effect of the death of Christ as a cosmic bargain negates the life of Jesus." Meyers makes it clear that Jesus's ministry on the earth had very little to do with right belief and everything to do with right living and right being in this life. In regards to this he says "Consider this: there is not a single word in that sermon about what to believe, only words about what to do. It is a behavioral manifesto, not a propositional one. Yet three centuries later, when the Nicene Creed became the official oath of Christendom, there was not a single word in it about what to do, only words about what to believe!" With regards to the demands of the two types of Christianity he explains,"Christianity as a belief system requires nothing but acquiescence. Christianity as a way of life, as a path to follow, requires a second birth, the conquest of ego, and new eyes with which to see the world." Here are the key takeaways for me: * Jesus’s concern was to teach how to be in this world and now Christianity only seems to care about what you believe. * True religion is relationship, not righteousness. * Religion and politics do mix because your religion should change the way you relate to others in the world. * Prosperity gospel is bogus and has no foundation in Christianity. * This is the last series of questions posed and the summary of the book: "What if we could pull off a modern-day miracle and persuade a whole community of human beings that faith is characterized by what I have called from the pulpit “the end of striving”? What if we could shift the idea of salvation from survival of personal identity to radical freedom? Not freedom from—obligations, promises, fidelity, commitment, and self-sacrifice—but freedom to—live beyond angst, be delivered from self-pity, escape the prison of self, grow old gracefully, master the ego, live in harmony with the natural world, and break the chains of fear itself, especially the fear of death? What if we followed Jesus, instead of just worshiping Christ?" I really enjoyed this book. It presents a way of being in this wold that attempts to harmonize with the life and teachings of Jesus. It tells us to do things, not believe things.

  30. 4 out of 5

    Alex Long

    Overall it's a very good book. It is somewhat dated. You can tell it was written in 2009, by both the weird white Jesus on the cover and where it stands on certain issues (the validity of gay marriage isn't automatically taken for granted and there's these random, ignorant jabs made at new age spirituality.) The main thrust of the author's argument is sound. Most expressions of American Christianity are biblically illiterate and use high Christology to ignore obvious messages of Jesus that distu Overall it's a very good book. It is somewhat dated. You can tell it was written in 2009, by both the weird white Jesus on the cover and where it stands on certain issues (the validity of gay marriage isn't automatically taken for granted and there's these random, ignorant jabs made at new age spirituality.) The main thrust of the author's argument is sound. Most expressions of American Christianity are biblically illiterate and use high Christology to ignore obvious messages of Jesus that disturb people with power. Purity culture and prosperity gospel is all bullshit, etc. The author is better at pointing out problems than providing solutions. He points out that modern Christologies are post-biblical. Our version of Christ has absorbed concepts from the cult of Mithras. And our metaphysics/cosmologies are largely taken from Hellenism. He sees this as a bad thing, something we need to get rid of so we can return to the ethics of Jesus. But I don't see why we can't have both. We've taken so much stuff from Judaism, why can't we borrow from other sources as well? While I think ethics should be central to Christianity, humans have an innate desire to comprehend the universe in a way that the this-worldly texts of the Bible don't allow for. The author notes that we know very little about the historical Jesus (something I really don't care about) but then precedes to argue we should base everything on this fragmentary knowledge, and totally get rid of the emotionally satisfying mythology of Christ expressed in the creeds. I think greater knowledge of religious history and the role of myth in faith traditions can allow people to see the ethical imperatives of Jesus, while also letting them keep the emotionally satisfying, overtly supernatural images, we've become accustomed to.

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