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Big changes for Ben Grimm and Sharon Ventura! The Thing is still adjusting to his new role as leader of the FF, whose lineup now includes the Human Torch, Crystal and Sharon "Ms. Marvel" Ventura! But as Crystal's presence complicates Johnny's marriage, things get extra rocky for Ben and Sharon -literally! When more cosmic rays transform the two in unexpected ways, how will Big changes for Ben Grimm and Sharon Ventura! The Thing is still adjusting to his new role as leader of the FF, whose lineup now includes the Human Torch, Crystal and Sharon "Ms. Marvel" Ventura! But as Crystal's presence complicates Johnny's marriage, things get extra rocky for Ben and Sharon -literally! When more cosmic rays transform the two in unexpected ways, how will they react to their monstrous new mutations? Meanwhile, the Fantastic Four get involved in Doctor Doom's war with Kristoff Vernard - but on whose side? And a trip to the Mole Man's realm leads across time and space, and to encounters with Belasco, Master Pandemonium and...the Beyonder! Plus, Hulk and Thing throw down in two super-sized slugfests! COLLECTING: VOL. 18: FANTASTIC FOUR (1961) 308-320, ANNUAL 21; INCREDIBLE HULK (1968) 350; MARVEL GRAPHIC NOVEL: HULK/THING - THE BIG CHANGE


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Big changes for Ben Grimm and Sharon Ventura! The Thing is still adjusting to his new role as leader of the FF, whose lineup now includes the Human Torch, Crystal and Sharon "Ms. Marvel" Ventura! But as Crystal's presence complicates Johnny's marriage, things get extra rocky for Ben and Sharon -literally! When more cosmic rays transform the two in unexpected ways, how will Big changes for Ben Grimm and Sharon Ventura! The Thing is still adjusting to his new role as leader of the FF, whose lineup now includes the Human Torch, Crystal and Sharon "Ms. Marvel" Ventura! But as Crystal's presence complicates Johnny's marriage, things get extra rocky for Ben and Sharon -literally! When more cosmic rays transform the two in unexpected ways, how will they react to their monstrous new mutations? Meanwhile, the Fantastic Four get involved in Doctor Doom's war with Kristoff Vernard - but on whose side? And a trip to the Mole Man's realm leads across time and space, and to encounters with Belasco, Master Pandemonium and...the Beyonder! Plus, Hulk and Thing throw down in two super-sized slugfests! COLLECTING: VOL. 18: FANTASTIC FOUR (1961) 308-320, ANNUAL 21; INCREDIBLE HULK (1968) 350; MARVEL GRAPHIC NOVEL: HULK/THING - THE BIG CHANGE

49 review for Fantastic Four Epic Collection Vol. 18: The More Things Change...

  1. 4 out of 5

    Dan Schwent

    Fantastic Four: The More Things Change... collects Fantastic Four 308 to 320, Fantastic Four Annual 21, Incredible Hulk #350, and Hulk/Thing - The Big Change. The post-John Byrne era of the Fantastic Four definitely had its ups and downs. One birthday, my mom gave me a stack of comics. On top was Fantastic Four #318. Doctor Doom leading the Fantastic Four? Ben Grimm a spikey Thing? A female Thing? Johnny married to Alicia Masters? I subscribed to the Fantastic Four shortly after, a subscription t Fantastic Four: The More Things Change... collects Fantastic Four 308 to 320, Fantastic Four Annual 21, Incredible Hulk #350, and Hulk/Thing - The Big Change. The post-John Byrne era of the Fantastic Four definitely had its ups and downs. One birthday, my mom gave me a stack of comics. On top was Fantastic Four #318. Doctor Doom leading the Fantastic Four? Ben Grimm a spikey Thing? A female Thing? Johnny married to Alicia Masters? I subscribed to the Fantastic Four shortly after, a subscription that would ultimately last six or seven years. When this trade was announced, I pre-ordered it, eager to relive some old nostalgia. When Steve Englehart took over the Fantastic Four, he wasted no time in shaking up the lineup. Reed and Sue left the Fantastic Four and Crystal and Ms. Marvel joined to pick up the slack. The new group had a lot of potential, opening up new directions for the group to go in. The art is great. Keith Pollard and both Buscema boys handle the art chore for most of the issues in this volume with Joe Sinnott on inks. Hard to beat an artistic pedigree like that. The legendary Berni Wrightson draws great renditions of The Hulk and The Thing in the graphic novel that starts the collection. Jeff Purves' art that closes the collection is okay, I guess. I didn't care for Jim Starlin's writing in the Hulk/Thing graphic novel. Too damn many puns, for one thing. I'm conflicted on Steve Englehart's writing, however. On one hand, the character moments are great, although it's very illogical that Ben would want Johnny on the team at all considering he married Alicia. Sharon Ventura had quite a bit of character development, going from a damaged goods heroine to She-Thing over the course of the book. Johnny's conflict between being married to Alicia and his old feelings for Crystal had a lot of potential. Ben growing into his role as leader was one of my favorite parts of Englehart's run. On the other hand, the Fantastic Four are supporting characters in their own book a lot of the time. Instead of creating compelling Fantastic Four stories, Englehart seems more content to tie up loose ends from Ka-Zar, West Coast Avengers, Comet Man, and Secret Wars, pulling the Fantastic Four along for the ride. The Fantastic Four shouldn't be such passive characters! I know the run was repeatedly hamstrung by editorial interference, like when Crystal was removed, but I have to think some of that was due to the nature of the stories Englehart was telling. While shaking up the lineup opened up new potential story paths, the absence of Reed Richards ultimately removed a lot what propelled many Fantastic Four stories forward. While I liked the character moments, the stories were lacking. 3 out of 5 stars.

  2. 4 out of 5

    Niels Juul

    This review has been hidden because it contains spoilers. To view it, click here. Det er noget rod. Der er to nye medlemmer af gruppen, de gamle interne forhold er væk. De nye medlemmer bidrager ikke rigtig med noget interessant. Dynamikken i FF er væk. Det ser også ud som forfatteten har haft svært ved at få ideer. Gode er de i hvert fald ikke. Værst er Secret Wars 3 hvor det hele et par mega kosmiske karakteter der side op og side ned snakker om hvor magtfulde de selv er. Nej, det virker ikke. Dynamikken i FF er som sagt helt væk og historierne er flade. Ikke noget at bruge Det er noget rod. Der er to nye medlemmer af gruppen, de gamle interne forhold er væk. De nye medlemmer bidrager ikke rigtig med noget interessant. Dynamikken i FF er væk. Det ser også ud som forfatteten har haft svært ved at få ideer. Gode er de i hvert fald ikke. Værst er Secret Wars 3 hvor det hele et par mega kosmiske karakteter der side op og side ned snakker om hvor magtfulde de selv er. Nej, det virker ikke. Dynamikken i FF er som sagt helt væk og historierne er flade. Ikke noget at bruge tid på

  3. 4 out of 5

    B

    That book title. So good! The contents, less so. This contains the briefly infamous Secret Wars III, which never made much sense and I don't think Hickman resolved either. The author keeps throwing in characters from the far corners of the Marvel Universe which are not particularly compelling and do not add much to the story And the rest largely feels like the middle of a big Sharon Ventura arc. Without the beginning, it's hard to empathize with or understand her trauma. That book title. So good! The contents, less so. This contains the briefly infamous Secret Wars III, which never made much sense and I don't think Hickman resolved either. The author keeps throwing in characters from the far corners of the Marvel Universe which are not particularly compelling and do not add much to the story And the rest largely feels like the middle of a big Sharon Ventura arc. Without the beginning, it's hard to empathize with or understand her trauma.

  4. 5 out of 5

    Jeff

    Look these were some of the first comics I read in Jr High and I have always loved them. But damn if they aren’t a little crazy.

  5. 5 out of 5

    Adam Graham

    A somewhat Bleh period in Fantastic Four from the late 1980s with Reed and Sue gone and the Thing leading the team. The villains are mostly forgettable, and the drama (such as it is) is overly soap operatic. The main thing I picked this up because of The Thing/Incredible Hulk graphic novel by Jim Starlin. It was disappointingly unremarkable and bland. There are a lot of issues in here and there are some decent battles, but overall, this doesn't come close to living up to the motto of, "World's G A somewhat Bleh period in Fantastic Four from the late 1980s with Reed and Sue gone and the Thing leading the team. The villains are mostly forgettable, and the drama (such as it is) is overly soap operatic. The main thing I picked this up because of The Thing/Incredible Hulk graphic novel by Jim Starlin. It was disappointingly unremarkable and bland. There are a lot of issues in here and there are some decent battles, but overall, this doesn't come close to living up to the motto of, "World's Greatest Comic Magazine.

  6. 5 out of 5

    John

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    Derrick Ranostaj

  8. 5 out of 5

    Rob Schamberger

  9. 4 out of 5

    Joshua Williams

  10. 5 out of 5

    Matt Holsman

  11. 5 out of 5

    Dan

  12. 5 out of 5

    Zack! Empire

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    Judith Arvesu

  14. 5 out of 5

    Julio José Rodríguez Lozano

  15. 4 out of 5

    Audrey Hacker

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    Joel

  17. 4 out of 5

    Simon Farrow

  18. 5 out of 5

    Stephen M. Noll

  19. 5 out of 5

    Thad

  20. 4 out of 5

    Travis

  21. 4 out of 5

    Krister

  22. 5 out of 5

    Trent Hunsaker

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    Raymond

  24. 5 out of 5

    Steve Beversdorf

  25. 4 out of 5

    Chas

  26. 4 out of 5

    Bruno Poço

  27. 5 out of 5

    Matt Hensler

  28. 4 out of 5

    Timothy Moore

  29. 4 out of 5

    Shawn Gallagher

  30. 4 out of 5

    Eden

  31. 5 out of 5

    Pochodnia fandomu

  32. 4 out of 5

    The_Mad_Swede

  33. 5 out of 5

    Ian

  34. 4 out of 5

    Acton Northrop

  35. 4 out of 5

    Bill Bryant

  36. 4 out of 5

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  37. 5 out of 5

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  38. 5 out of 5

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  39. 4 out of 5

    Ilmari Henttinen

  40. 4 out of 5

    Ja-Køb

  41. 5 out of 5

    Rob

  42. 5 out of 5

    Federico Kereki

  43. 5 out of 5

    Percy Bell

  44. 4 out of 5

    Del

  45. 5 out of 5

    Jeff

  46. 4 out of 5

    Joey Outten

  47. 5 out of 5

    Taylor Mitchell

  48. 4 out of 5

    Scott

  49. 5 out of 5

    David

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