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In all of creation, only one Earth has met and triumphed over each Incursion that has threatened it: the Earth of the heroes of the Great Society! And guess which Earth is on a collision course with ours? Now, the New Avengers must take on the combined power of the Great Society - and only a single parallel Earth can survive! But how far is Doctor Strange willing to go to In all of creation, only one Earth has met and triumphed over each Incursion that has threatened it: the Earth of the heroes of the Great Society! And guess which Earth is on a collision course with ours? Now, the New Avengers must take on the combined power of the Great Society - and only a single parallel Earth can survive! But how far is Doctor Strange willing to go to protect the Marvel Universe? Which New Avenger will find the strength to press the butt on that destroys a world? And most importantly, what will come in the aftermath? It's the battle you didn't know you wanted to see - unti l now! COLLECTING: NEW AVENGERS 18-23


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In all of creation, only one Earth has met and triumphed over each Incursion that has threatened it: the Earth of the heroes of the Great Society! And guess which Earth is on a collision course with ours? Now, the New Avengers must take on the combined power of the Great Society - and only a single parallel Earth can survive! But how far is Doctor Strange willing to go to In all of creation, only one Earth has met and triumphed over each Incursion that has threatened it: the Earth of the heroes of the Great Society! And guess which Earth is on a collision course with ours? Now, the New Avengers must take on the combined power of the Great Society - and only a single parallel Earth can survive! But how far is Doctor Strange willing to go to protect the Marvel Universe? Which New Avenger will find the strength to press the butt on that destroys a world? And most importantly, what will come in the aftermath? It's the battle you didn't know you wanted to see - unti l now! COLLECTING: NEW AVENGERS 18-23

30 review for New Avengers, Volume 4: A Perfect World

  1. 5 out of 5

    Jeff

    Namor haters - this one’s for you! He brought his trident (Where’s he been keeping it? Did he swipe it from Aquaman?) to a “discussion” and put “escalate” in “escalator of life, top floor of the human mall”*: Super-Hero Armageddon – Ladies Underwear – Galoshes – Thunk! “Anyone else want to negotiate?” Duck or you’ll get hit in the face with a stray, ill-fitting, pop culture reference. It seems that another universe of heroes has come up with an inelegant solution for saving their Earth during the i Namor haters - this one’s for you! He brought his trident (Where’s he been keeping it? Did he swipe it from Aquaman?) to a “discussion” and put “escalate” in “escalator of life, top floor of the human mall”*: Super-Hero Armageddon – Ladies Underwear – Galoshes – Thunk! “Anyone else want to negotiate?” Duck or you’ll get hit in the face with a stray, ill-fitting, pop culture reference. It seems that another universe of heroes has come up with an inelegant solution for saving their Earth during the incursion of multiverses and it’s now showdown time with our Earth (616). They brought the Hulk and the aforementioned ass with a trident, so when all else fails, it’s rock-‘em, sock-‘em time… …and death. Bunches of death. So who gets to press the button on the Earth 616 universe destroying bomb? If you said, (view spoiler)[Namor (hide spoiler)] you’ve been paying attention. Namor can’t stand the other lily-livered Illuminati (read: bunch of pussies), so he disses them (with a major slap in the face to the Black Panther) and forms his own pro-active kill squad. Bottom line: This is a volume of Hickman’s Avengers saga that really works on a number of levels. Smash and bash? – yes, but, you really agonize as the Illuminati dither about who gets to press the kill switch and, in essence, become a mass-murderer of billions. Hickman likes to slightly tweak moments that you’ve seen before and shade them with the reader’s accumulated knowledge and it works well here. If only the whole event was this consistently good. * that one's for karen5000, who's all about the '80's. Bonus: For you Dr. Strange/Cumberbatch haters, the good Doctor loses a tad more of his soul.

  2. 4 out of 5

    Gavin

    What a gigantic THUD. That was my expectations hitting the ground hard after being so high. Where to start...OK, first off, the art? HORRIBLE. Apparently every character has to have eyes wide as saucers and be surprised by anything remotely active. Even talking scenes seem to feature horribly large eyeballs. TOO MUCH of the hand-wringing, should we or shouldn't we kill off another planet stuff. If anything, this book made me think that Namor is perhaps the only honest one in the group. They all to What a gigantic THUD. That was my expectations hitting the ground hard after being so high. Where to start...OK, first off, the art? HORRIBLE. Apparently every character has to have eyes wide as saucers and be surprised by anything remotely active. Even talking scenes seem to feature horribly large eyeballs. TOO MUCH of the hand-wringing, should we or shouldn't we kill off another planet stuff. If anything, this book made me think that Namor is perhaps the only honest one in the group. They all took part, but he isn't pretending it is something it isn't. Black Panther is whiny as fuck here...ugh, grow a set man. You're supposed to be a strong somewhat silent type (not Black Bolt silent, but still...) I don't need endless "what should I do for Wakanda?" "Am I a good man? Blah." I would have Loved to see what Doctor Strange got up to, but nope. Instead we get woe-is-us moments from everyone. Bruce Banner shows up to join the gang (that shot him into space last time...if I recall correctly) and now he's a little wussy kid who's too scared to talk around the big brains? I'm sorry, Hickman, go and read Mark Waid's Indestructible Hulk run. THAT IS BRUCE BANNER NOW! Marvel, don't ever change him...ugh, and yet, they drop the ball huge. Even Storm shits on Black Panther, which was funny. Hank finally gets called out on losing the plot by the only person who ever influences him. The art was just ugh. Did I say that? Ya, it was that bad. Enough to mention twice. Also, Tony mentions to Reed at one point that Cap remembers what they did to him in volume 1, and is coming after them with great vengeance and furious anger...yet we never see him arrive. Maximus has more to do in this volume than most of the rest of the gang. Seriously, such a misfire...ugh. Oh and when the shit goes down? Only one of them is actually ready, and everyone turns on him for it....typical bullshit I usually associate with DC...not impressed here. Also kinda silly with the obvious DC Justice League stand ins that Hickman uses here, the Batman avatar is even called WAYNE! Ugh...Oh and the super mystical one? He's a little kid...hmmm Billy is that you? Ugh. Just so not worth it. Jason hit the nail on the head with his review, Hickman is so concerned with plot that he throws character development out the window, and the reason most people read comics is the CHARACTERS and what they do, not what happens and how it fits into the larger plan of Hickman for the next 37yrs of storylines... Give it a miss, unless you are doing a read through of the whole storyline.

  3. 4 out of 5

    Nicolo

    New Avengers is Jonathan Hickman's take on the Illuminati, a shadow circle of the world's best minds and power movers, who took it themselves to save their universe (616) from premature death during incursion events; when two parallel earths occupy the same space at the same time. All the past issues were leading into this: what if the Illuminati encounter a populated earth with virtuous heroes, how would they decide which earth had to go? These Great Society heroes are actually Justice League and New Avengers is Jonathan Hickman's take on the Illuminati, a shadow circle of the world's best minds and power movers, who took it themselves to save their universe (616) from premature death during incursion events; when two parallel earths occupy the same space at the same time. All the past issues were leading into this: what if the Illuminati encounter a populated earth with virtuous heroes, how would they decide which earth had to go? These Great Society heroes are actually Justice League and its hard not think that Hickman may be auditioning for another gig after his Marvel exclusivity ends; but that is not case if one would read this story. This may be slightly spoilerific but its an Avengers book after all, but the Illuminati find a way to beat them and it isn't nice.

  4. 5 out of 5

    Cheese

    This was brilliant. The best of the lot! This is where EVERYTHING goes utterly tits up and Namor really really fucks things up big time.

  5. 4 out of 5

    Anthony

    It's all been building to this. The Illuminati reach the point of no return and one of them has to cross the line - they have to kill a world. There's been a lot of questioning of morality in New Avengers. Because of the incursions, the team have long been debating if destroying a world is worth the price to save their own. It's handled very well, and I have to be vague because I don't want to spoil it. With Hickman comics, you do have to stick with them. If you read them in singles, sometimes you It's all been building to this. The Illuminati reach the point of no return and one of them has to cross the line - they have to kill a world. There's been a lot of questioning of morality in New Avengers. Because of the incursions, the team have long been debating if destroying a world is worth the price to save their own. It's handled very well, and I have to be vague because I don't want to spoil it. With Hickman comics, you do have to stick with them. If you read them in singles, sometimes you'll read an issue and it feels you're not getting much story. But when he gets to the payoff - it's so worth it. New Avengers has always been the better of Hickmans Avengers books. It's more consistent in quality and a little easier to follow. The art suffers a little here, because it changes around more than usual. It would be good if the book could keep a regular artist like it did when it began. So excited for what comes next.

  6. 4 out of 5

    Greg

    This review probably contains spoilers. I’m not going to bother with spoiler tags, go read another review. You have a good chance that the reviewer will have a better idea of what is going on than I do. New Avengers (2013) is an Avengers spin-off focusing on the Illuminati. A bunch of egg-head superheroes trying to stop the entire universe from ending. It’s basically the smartest people in the Marvel room taking it upon themselves to act in secret to stop this cataclysmic event from happening. T This review probably contains spoilers. I’m not going to bother with spoiler tags, go read another review. You have a good chance that the reviewer will have a better idea of what is going on than I do. New Avengers (2013) is an Avengers spin-off focusing on the Illuminati. A bunch of egg-head superheroes trying to stop the entire universe from ending. It’s basically the smartest people in the Marvel room taking it upon themselves to act in secret to stop this cataclysmic event from happening. This volume is sort of the culmination of their attempting to stop an incursion from happening. What is an incursion? It’s one Earth colliding with another Earth both being destroyed (I think). Why is this happening? Because some beings in the universe feel that the Earth is a problem and that for the sake of all of existence it needs to go. Or it’s just the universe dying prematurely. Or a bit of both. Or it’s part of the ongoing confusion of builders and mapmakers and dark priests from the whole Infinity debacle. Each instance of the incursion seems a little different. And for a while, each issue was just let's see another world end with its slightly different version of champions… like on this Earth Psylocke is actually Captain Britain. I couldn’t explain the logic of how some of the incursions stop. I think some that is my fault because my brain was glazing over at times during this whole run. I’m pretty sure some of the reason is that Hickman’s story is kinda sorta a convoluted mess. Here’s a spoiler… Iron Man and company (the Illuminati eggheads) realized that there might come a time when they need to destroy the other “Earth” set on an incursion path with their Earth. So they created all sorts of doomsday weapons. And like Chekhov would have said, you make some doomsday weapons in book 1, you’ll be seeing them being used in book 3 (or actually book 4). Creating world-destroying weapons is sort of a Pandora’s Box. You know what else is a Pandora’s Box? Creating multi-universes in storytelling. They are neat when you first use them, and they are kind of a “Hey, that’s a cool way of getting out of whatever storytelling dilemma we were in.” Sort of like the hatch or something in “Lost”. But then they quickly turn into the wheel thing a couple of seasons later in “Lost”. Turn it and off everyone goes into nonsense! This arc ends with the Illuminati having to save the world from an incursion from an Earth of actually good heroes, granted as far as I know this is their only appearance so we don’t get to see the warts of their world, but they seem like a good noble people. The Illuminati, not so great in the good and noble department. The two sides face off. Someone on the other Earth picks up that the nerds are packing world-destroying weapons, and they are like “What the fuck is wrong with you people.” So they fight. And Dr. Strange turns into a Cthulhu like creature that scares the shit out of everyone and saved the Marvel nerds from having their asses completely handed to them, and their world being destroyed (although I have this feeling that maybe the other dudes would have figured out a solution, they are sort of old hands at ethically delaying incursion invasions, except against Cthulhu). Iron Man shoots Dr. Strange to bring him out of his summoning of the old God’s trance and they are left with a dilemma of what to do now. All of a sudden they all are like, “I can’t do it, I can’t blow up a whole other world” (which made me try to remember how they stopped all these other incursion events, and why my memory seems to be missing chunks of the story). One of the nerds steps up and uses their Weapon of World Destruction, the others get all high and mighty against him and they go immediately find out that there is another incursion about to happen and they say “Fuck it”let's just let the world end. I don’t know, I assume, but I don’t know, if the ‘universe’ this is happening on is the same one where the X-Men arcs of House of M and Mutant Messiah took place. If it is, and Hank McCoy would be aware of this (he’s in the Illuminati, too) but it seems like it would be fairly irresponsible if a choice had to be made between “this” world and one that isn’t a fucking shit show, to let this world continue to exist with the dystopian horrors and mass destruction awaiting them all in the future. Maybe that’s part of a different universe though. All of my snide comments aside, this was actually some of my favorite issues from this Hickman run. Maybe it’s because I could more or less follow what was going on and there was finally a bit of a pay-off from a bunch of the issues leading up to this.

  7. 5 out of 5

    Jason

    The battle with the alter Earth obvious DC-homage characters was fun-ish. But this whole story-line is dragging. I skimmed the last few issues. Just...dull. I have no investment in the characters or what's going on. Hickman bores the crap out of me and runs a story into the ground. The battle with the alter Earth obvious DC-homage characters was fun-ish. But this whole story-line is dragging. I skimmed the last few issues. Just...dull. I have no investment in the characters or what's going on. Hickman bores the crap out of me and runs a story into the ground.

  8. 5 out of 5

    Frédéric

    At least the story concludes decently. It was predictable that Namor would do the dirty work while all the others were whining and pulling out their hair. In the end everybody gets blood on their hands and have crossed a line. A definite line. At least that was interesting even though nobody but Namor could go through it to the end, which kinda spelled pussy after all they'd already done. But that would have obviously  been a commercial suicide. At least the story concludes decently. It was predictable that Namor would do the dirty work while all the others were whining and pulling out their hair. In the end everybody gets blood on their hands and have crossed a line. A definite line. At least that was interesting even though nobody but Namor could go through it to the end, which kinda spelled pussy after all they'd already done. But that would have obviously  been a commercial suicide.

  9. 4 out of 5

    Andrew

    In the first issue of this volume, T'Challa summons the spirits of the previous Black Panthers, and asks them for guidance. He doesn't know if he can go through with the Illuminati's plan to save the universe through the destruction of populated planets. The spirits tell him that he is a king and thus cannot afford the luxury of typical morality. A king's morality, they say, is to do whatever horrible things need doing so that his people are protected, both from destruction and from having their In the first issue of this volume, T'Challa summons the spirits of the previous Black Panthers, and asks them for guidance. He doesn't know if he can go through with the Illuminati's plan to save the universe through the destruction of populated planets. The spirits tell him that he is a king and thus cannot afford the luxury of typical morality. A king's morality, they say, is to do whatever horrible things need doing so that his people are protected, both from destruction and from having their own personal morality compromised. This sets the tone for the volume of New Avengers where the Illuminati must finally make the impossible choices laid out in the previous 15 issues. Hickman explores themes of power and morality without passing judgements on the characters or the readers. It almost feels as though Hickman is just another observer, as though he created this impossibly cruel scenario, and now simply reports how the characters respond to it. This level of authorial "objectivity" is impressive, and it gives the action the feel of a Greek tragedy - every horrible thing is predetermined, and the drama comes from watching our characters struggle against fate. When Hickman steps back into the story in the final pages, it's to present a perfect twist of the "wow. I didn't see that coming, but I really, really should have" variety. I'm of two minds about the art. I like Schiti's style a lot, but the big eyes and bright colors are almost too cartoony for a story this heavy. I would have preferred someone like Steve Epting for this particular story arc.

  10. 5 out of 5

    Joseph

    There may be spoilers. I dunno. In one issue, the Black Swan is talking to Mad Max(imus) and tells him, "It really is stunning how much you love to hear yourself talk, Maximus." Well, that could apply to just about anyone in a Marvel comic today, especially the Avengers and X-Men titles, but, hey, I digress. Lots of yakkity-yak-yak as usual, plus preening, whining, complaining, getting mad, and eventually the various Illuminati have built themselves up to be these bad-ass heroes ready to make the There may be spoilers. I dunno. In one issue, the Black Swan is talking to Mad Max(imus) and tells him, "It really is stunning how much you love to hear yourself talk, Maximus." Well, that could apply to just about anyone in a Marvel comic today, especially the Avengers and X-Men titles, but, hey, I digress. Lots of yakkity-yak-yak as usual, plus preening, whining, complaining, getting mad, and eventually the various Illuminati have built themselves up to be these bad-ass heroes ready to make the hard choices, only to wuss out at the end. I guess that was a good thing, because I was about to throw down if all these guys ended up being murderers, although I guess that's the in thing nowadays, eh? What these guys are, though, are evil. Pure and simple. They can no longer put themselves above Dr Doom and Red Skull, etc., when they're at least willing to think about killing billions and billions of people instead of working to find a solution. I guess maybe finding that solution to a universe-wide calamity is too comic-booky or something, and now we get these angst-ridden would be murderers as "heroes." Yeah, sure. PASS. The art is uneven because there are so many artists. I think these books were coming out every two weeks, so that may account for it, but it's still sucky. Makes me want to go read some Stan Lee Avengers and hold my teddy bear tightly against my chest. After a bath, of course.

  11. 5 out of 5

    Mike

    ​They finally did it. Finally had the stones (or not) to save their world, which in this case comes at a damnably high price. And when (view spoiler)[that price is too damned high for nearly everyone to stomach (hide spoiler)] , it leads to some of the most melodramatic acting I've seen in a long time from a book where I've come to expect good writing. The silly CW-style soap opera proclamations make for an issue or two that are hard to get through. And yet strangely, they're the ones I didn't put ​They finally did it. Finally had the stones (or not) to save their world, which in this case comes at a damnably high price. And when (view spoiler)[that price is too damned high for nearly everyone to stomach (hide spoiler)] , it leads to some of the most melodramatic acting I've seen in a long time from a book where I've come to expect good writing. The silly CW-style soap opera proclamations make for an issue or two that are hard to get through. And yet strangely, they're the ones I didn't put down in the middle - like I was watching an episode of Arrow, and while I hate everything about that show, I still end up watching every damned last one of them. So was this a good book? Not notably so. But necessary, and will likely reflect on the rest of Hickman's Avengers run until Secret Wars, because that's how it has to be. But that ending is marvellous. The one dude you always suspected - (view spoiler)[Namor does a full heel turn and forms the Cabal (hide spoiler)] - which is a delicious twist that makes the next book worth looking forward to.

  12. 5 out of 5

    Shannon Appelcline

    This is what it's all come down to: the question of whether the Illuminati are heroes or villains. The answer is a really wonderfully told story that takes the incursions and makes them into a deeply personal moral question. Hickman does a great job of addressing that, and then takes us to the next step. I'm looking forward to what happens as Time now Runs Out. This is what it's all come down to: the question of whether the Illuminati are heroes or villains. The answer is a really wonderfully told story that takes the incursions and makes them into a deeply personal moral question. Hickman does a great job of addressing that, and then takes us to the next step. I'm looking forward to what happens as Time now Runs Out.

  13. 4 out of 5

    Judah Radd

    ****second read**** Sweet baby jeebus this is good. Oh man, it’s so good. SO FUCKING GOOD!! Holy hell... I don’t even know what to say. If they ever capture even a sliver of this story in the form of a movie, I swear it will win an Oscar. So many subversions, but like... the good kind. Where, when you find out what happens, you’re like gaaadaamn!!! 10/5 ******first read****** The Saga continues. This is a good book for people who love, hate and love to hate Namor. He really shines as a fallen one. Th ****second read**** Sweet baby jeebus this is good. Oh man, it’s so good. SO FUCKING GOOD!! Holy hell... I don’t even know what to say. If they ever capture even a sliver of this story in the form of a movie, I swear it will win an Oscar. So many subversions, but like... the good kind. Where, when you find out what happens, you’re like gaaadaamn!!! 10/5 ******first read****** The Saga continues. This is a good book for people who love, hate and love to hate Namor. He really shines as a fallen one. The stakes just keep rising! This has slowly and steadily become one of the most mind-fucky stories in all of Marvel. Each issue leaves you needing the next. The art is spectacular. It’s so bright and incendiary. So many pages are awe inducing. This is must read material, no doubt... but you WILL be lost if you haven’t read all Avengers/New Avengers material by Hickman. You also have to read Infinity. You should read Original Sin and Starlin’s Infinity Revelation/Relativity/Entity/Finale series... but they aren’t essential. Basically... this is not for newcomers, which is unfortunate. I’ll say this: putting in the time to get caught up is certainly rewarding.

  14. 4 out of 5

    Travis Duke

    a strong book from Hickman. He is concise with the story and delivers some great action. The incursion is here and the Avengers are faced with some tough choices. The great society (heroes from the other earth) have been fighting off their own incursions but are now matched up with Avengers earth. Its a great battle and some pretty good art captures that. We also see the Namor and T'challa feud boil over which is long over due. A fun highlight was watching Dr. Strange basically show everyone up a strong book from Hickman. He is concise with the story and delivers some great action. The incursion is here and the Avengers are faced with some tough choices. The great society (heroes from the other earth) have been fighting off their own incursions but are now matched up with Avengers earth. Its a great battle and some pretty good art captures that. We also see the Namor and T'challa feud boil over which is long over due. A fun highlight was watching Dr. Strange basically show everyone up with the dark arts. small recap with spoilers.... Namor is the only one with the balls to destroy the other earth which I found refreshing with how clean marvel usually is. At first I was thinking wow the Illuminati have guts but slowly they all start wussing out and cry, except Namor. he destroys the other and rubs it in T'challa's face. Meanwhile the avengers face anther incursion but find out something is off when it doesnt happen. Maximus is busy building his super team of villains now with Namor, Black swan and Thanos because they dont want to sit by idle.

  15. 4 out of 5

    Michael Church

    Another installment knocking it out of the park. This incursion is the most interesting one we've seen as we got to watch the other Earth survive another incursion. It's not some random beings that are taking advantage of the situation, but actual people. It humanizes the whole situation. This is also where everything really comes to a head. All of the philosophizing and hypothetical conversations actually have repercussions now. It's a perfect no win situation. Everyone who reads this book is g Another installment knocking it out of the park. This incursion is the most interesting one we've seen as we got to watch the other Earth survive another incursion. It's not some random beings that are taking advantage of the situation, but actual people. It humanizes the whole situation. This is also where everything really comes to a head. All of the philosophizing and hypothetical conversations actually have repercussions now. It's a perfect no win situation. Everyone who reads this book is going to have an opinion on how to handle the situation which means you can empathize with one or more of these characters. The whole thing is crazy interesting to watch play out and it ends up going in a totally new direction at the end which only means the next volume is going to be a whole different kind of interesting. I can't wait to see how this keeps playing out.

  16. 5 out of 5

    Josh

    Another brilliant Avengers book from Jonathan Hickman. Perfect World deals with the consequences of choices superheroes make. Too often, comics let heroes off the hook. Not Hickman. Here, the Avengers are forced to make massive decisions that affect not only them, but the entire universe. Amazing.

  17. 5 out of 5

    Bob

    2 gems: an Illuminati v. Great Society 4parter & an apocalyptic 2part epilogue

  18. 4 out of 5

    Aildiin

    I do not have many kind words for the current Marvel production but there are however in my view 4 titles that stand head and shoulder above the mediocrity. They are Hawkeye by Fraction, Thor by Jason Aaron, Avengers by Jonathan Hickman and finally New Avengers by Jonathan Hickman ( Uncanny X-Men by Bendis is ok, but mainly because of Bachalo's art, the writing isn't that amazing there). Hawkeye is probably the best combination of writing and art but it is barely a super hero comic as it deal wit I do not have many kind words for the current Marvel production but there are however in my view 4 titles that stand head and shoulder above the mediocrity. They are Hawkeye by Fraction, Thor by Jason Aaron, Avengers by Jonathan Hickman and finally New Avengers by Jonathan Hickman ( Uncanny X-Men by Bendis is ok, but mainly because of Bachalo's art, the writing isn't that amazing there). Hawkeye is probably the best combination of writing and art but it is barely a super hero comic as it deal with very mundane problems. There is however no doubt for me that New Avengers is the most epic title. Over the last 23 issues it has been telling a long epic story that has only become better as it progress to the point that this is now one my favorite Avenger story. Although you could argue that the New Avengers are all but Avengers, they are smart, powerful but as this book shows it, they do not share the same values as the Avengers and Hickman take them where no Avenger has ever been.( the ongoing subtitle of the story is "Everything dies" and this issue deals with how far will you go to save earth) Highly recommended but you need to have read the previous 3 volumes to understand everything that is happening. For those on the fence, I have no doubt that one day Marvel will gather this story in a huge Omnibus.

  19. 5 out of 5

    Alex Sarll

    After getting away with it for too long, Marvel's brightest minds finally have no choice: will they have the determination needed to destroy a world so that two universes can live? Making matters harder, the world overlapping theirs this time is quite a nice one, bearing a suspicious resemblance to DC's core Earth pre-New 52 miserification. Inevitably, it turns out that some of the Illuminati were just playing at ruthlessness, while others really have the ice in their soul. Much is made of kings After getting away with it for too long, Marvel's brightest minds finally have no choice: will they have the determination needed to destroy a world so that two universes can live? Making matters harder, the world overlapping theirs this time is quite a nice one, bearing a suspicious resemblance to DC's core Earth pre-New 52 miserification. Inevitably, it turns out that some of the Illuminati were just playing at ruthlessness, while others really have the ice in their soul. Much is made of kings, and how they are different to other men after having been raised for command from birth; British readers may think of Prince Charles, and chuckle.

  20. 5 out of 5

    Sonic

    Holy Sh!t! This is intense! Even as the art begins to get rendered by less superb hands and gets more cartoony and exaggerated, the intensity of the writing and the character development still make this a powerful shocker!

  21. 5 out of 5

    Lionel

    This might just be the best book of Hickman I ever read. Real epic here

  22. 4 out of 5

    Colin Brightwell

    This review has been hidden because it contains spoilers. To view it, click here. Wow. Some real heavy stuff here, folks. Well, another stop on my read through Jonathan Hickman Avengers/New Avengers fun run and I think this just might be the best one yet. I mean, WOW. The moral implications of killing another world to save your own has always been at the forefront of the theme of New Avengers. When the going gets tough, just how tough are Black Panther, Tony Stark, Bruce Banner, Black Bolt, Hank McCoy, Dr. Strange, and Namor willing to get? The answer is nobody but one gets “tou Wow. Some real heavy stuff here, folks. Well, another stop on my read through Jonathan Hickman Avengers/New Avengers fun run and I think this just might be the best one yet. I mean, WOW. The moral implications of killing another world to save your own has always been at the forefront of the theme of New Avengers. When the going gets tough, just how tough are Black Panther, Tony Stark, Bruce Banner, Black Bolt, Hank McCoy, Dr. Strange, and Namor willing to get? The answer is nobody but one gets “tough.” See, this is when, in the Illuminati’s “for the greater good of our world” adventures come to a moral head: there are heroes on this earth, and they are noble. But you see, like Highlander, there can be only one! But the New Avengers meet their match. That is until Dr. Strange calls in some otherworldly Lovecraft tentacle abomination. With the noble heroes out of the way - can the rest finally destroy this world? No. It turns out that Captain America isn’t the only morally righteous man in the Marvel universe. Nobody can bring themselves to pull the trigger on a planet destroying bomb. Except Namor. Oh Namor - your friggin monster! The others are willing to let the next incursion happen. They are willing to die with the rest of the world to let the natural order of things go. And to sleep at night in the afterlife. Only it never happens. Turns out Namor got a god-complex kink from blowing up that last planet, so he recruits the recently defeated Thanos and others to help him commit planetary genocide to save his own world. Superheroes!!! This is the kind of stuff I wanna see in the movies! Insane, thought provoking, nice art work. Fantastic volume here.

  23. 4 out of 5

    Adam Stone

    A large chunk of Hickman's Avengers run hs been wheel-spinning and over-explaining, so this volume, where we get to see two different Incursions (universes colliding), and see the Illuminatis' stories actually progress, is a welcome relief. Honestly, if you wanted to love Hickman's Avengers run you could pretty much just read New Avengers, Volume 1: Everything Dies, Infinity, and this volume, and then die into the Time Runs Out books (which I haven't read yet, and I'm hoping live up to the potent A large chunk of Hickman's Avengers run hs been wheel-spinning and over-explaining, so this volume, where we get to see two different Incursions (universes colliding), and see the Illuminatis' stories actually progress, is a welcome relief. Honestly, if you wanted to love Hickman's Avengers run you could pretty much just read New Avengers, Volume 1: Everything Dies, Infinity, and this volume, and then die into the Time Runs Out books (which I haven't read yet, and I'm hoping live up to the potential of this book). This is the promised action movie that the series has teased and failed to deliver on (Infinity, itself, contained a lot of action but it jumped around too much to be compelling). After a long drout in this story, I"m once again excited to see where it goes (it goes to Secret Wars, I know, but I'm curious how the characters will get there).

  24. 5 out of 5

    Baba

    I read the comic books Avengers #13-23, and Endless War. Hickman's flagship Avengers book really picks up in New Avengers, Volume 3: Other Worlds and this volume New Avengers, Volume 4: Perfect World as the Captain America led team finally, truly gets involved in a pan universal war. Meanwhile Warren Ellis's Avengers: Endless Wartime is a great comic/movie Avengers hybrid with the team out to stop some sentient Nazi war machine that appears to be owned by SHIELD! 7 out of 12 for these overall. I read the comic books Avengers #13-23, and Endless War. Hickman's flagship Avengers book really picks up in New Avengers, Volume 3: Other Worlds and this volume New Avengers, Volume 4: Perfect World as the Captain America led team finally, truly gets involved in a pan universal war. Meanwhile Warren Ellis's Avengers: Endless Wartime is a great comic/movie Avengers hybrid with the team out to stop some sentient Nazi war machine that appears to be owned by SHIELD! 7 out of 12 for these overall.

  25. 5 out of 5

    Stanley

    This is probably one of the better trades that I have read. The story was good with some great moments and some deep philosophical questions to boot. We start off with a Bang! Black Bolt being repaired in a tank while Black Panther is leaning on the wisdom of his dead elders on whether or not to follow through with destroying an Earth. The dialogue here between them is really good. There is also a little chastizing at the end as to why he has not killed Namor. Speaking of Namor, we next see him sha This is probably one of the better trades that I have read. The story was good with some great moments and some deep philosophical questions to boot. We start off with a Bang! Black Bolt being repaired in a tank while Black Panther is leaning on the wisdom of his dead elders on whether or not to follow through with destroying an Earth. The dialogue here between them is really good. There is also a little chastizing at the end as to why he has not killed Namor. Speaking of Namor, we next see him sharpening his blade when the God-like Dr. Strange appear, glowing with raw power. Next we see a Tony Stark who appears to have already realized that he could not activate one of the bombs, for some reason, due to his encounter with the Avengers. Next, The Illuminati travels to the other Earth to interact with the DC-like heroes. They begin discussions with them and learn that they haven't had to destroy another planet yet and have only found a few different ways to push them away, similar to the Infinity Gauntlet, however, they currently have no further ways to do so. During this entire conversation, you can tell that a few of the DC-like heroes realize that there is something more behind the Illuminati words than they are letting on. Finally, Namor gives them what they want to know, that The Illuminati are willing to destroy their world if they cannot figure out another option. With time running low, Namor then casts the first stone, or spear as it were. This leads to an epic brawl between the teams that is decidedly leaning towards the DC-like team, even with Black Bolt showing up. Then, Dr. Strange lets loose his new God-power, bringing forth an extra-dimensional beast that wraps each DC-like member in tentacle like wrapping and litterally sucks the life out of them. Here's where we start to get the weak willed change of character that just doesn't make sense to me. These are heroes, they don't kill people, except that they have been building bombs for months if not years to wipe out entire planets. They came the new planet knowing they would have to battle them and that they would not take the Death Star-like exploding of their planet lying down, but they apparently weren't willing to kill them, either. However, they allow all but one to be killed, but zap Strange before the Superman-like guy is fully sucked dry. Anyway, with the threat neutralized, they are able to bring the bomb over and start the process to decide who can or will be willing to pull the trigger. Most flat out turn it down. Strange is so pissed at being zapped that he refuses, although you get the idea that he otherwise would have. Black Panther is the one who is most torn, but in the end, not only is he not able to do it, he is also shunned by the ghosts of his forefathers. With all seeming lost, Namor flippantly picks up the discarded trigger, quipping over it before activating it and blowing the planet. The others are pisses as who is he to do the one thing they came to do and had been building months for. They now have blood on their hands and didn't even use them in the end. He then quips at Black Panther, who already being stretched to the max emotionally, snaps and attacks Namor. He holds nothing back and really starts laying a beating on here. Apparently the death of him, all of his people, and all of the people of Earth were not enough to drive him to this point, but Namor's actions have. Reed and Tony break them up, but Namor just can't keep his mouth shut and Black Panther cranks up his rage to another level and just lays the wood to Namor. Hulk quickly breaks things up by landing on them to separate them. While they both take a breath, Namor lays his trump card. He admits that it was him to directed Thanos's team to Wakanda, telling them that they were hiding the Time Gem there. At this point, Black Panther enters maximum rage mode and must be held back by multiple members of The Illuminati while stating that he Will Kill Namor. The other members tell Namor to leave and then they each start to go their own ways when they learn that the next incursion is only 8 hours away. With nobody willing to dirty their hands, and not letting Namor act again, they all decide the way they want to spend the last hours they have on the planet. Some are light and some are deep, but as the countdown reaches zero and nothing happens, they are all shocked and meet to determine what is going on. Their first though is that they were wrong about it all and blew up a planet for nothing. However, they quickly realize that one person did not respond to their call and is missing, Namor. At the end, we see him with Maximus and the released members of Thanos and his team along with Black Swan. Ok, as you can see, there was allot going on here and most of it was really good. I really liked the complex ethical issues that were brought up here. As a ruler, how far should you be willing to go for your people? I'm shocked that the only time Spider-Man comes up is in passing as this entire line coudld be tagged as "With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility." As you could see in my description, I had some issues with the philosophies here where you had all of these big minds willing to build doomsday devices, but not only were unwilling to use them in the end, but also were willing to judge the one who was. Taking Namor and driving him to becoming a villain was interesting, but I thought that it would have been more interesting to see him becoming a Hulk-like figure. He continues to have extremely destructive outbursts, but he knows that in the end, he will do more good the ill and must live with himself. The art here may be at the best in run as well. It is so clean and sharp with some amazing emotive peices. Even though my philosophy and how I had read the philosophy of the characters in the books leading up to this did not match what happened, it still led to an interesting an logical conclusion. There was so much here to enjoy and I will surly come back to this one again.

  26. 5 out of 5

    Keith Jones

    It's not very good, but more than that it seems really focused on what it wants to be at the expense of the characters . It wants to be all dramatic, epic, and world shaking, but that's it. These aren't so much characters as cardboard cutouts with snippets of dialog stabled to them without much thought to whether that character would ever utter those words. In more directly tied to the story perspective, the characters spend absolutely zero time trying to work out why these events are happening o It's not very good, but more than that it seems really focused on what it wants to be at the expense of the characters . It wants to be all dramatic, epic, and world shaking, but that's it. These aren't so much characters as cardboard cutouts with snippets of dialog stabled to them without much thought to whether that character would ever utter those words. In more directly tied to the story perspective, the characters spend absolutely zero time trying to work out why these events are happening or alternative methods for dealing with those events beyond blowing everything up. I mean, sure, they spout lip-service to alternative methods, but the book never spends pages on them actually investigating cause or developing alternatives. It really is like the story of blowing everything up was decided in advance and then it was just a matter of ramming all the square pegs into the round holes. Is there another book I don't know about where these alternatives were explored? It sure wasn't so much as referenced here.

  27. 5 out of 5

    Berger M.P.

    ++namor stealing the show with his scenes ++Black Panther being some really cool panel time with reconnecting with the old Panther Souls (also his dad looks like a BA) +Almost every hero encounter and dialogue recharge is pitch perfect. +ending of the first issue ++Curve ball of what to be expected right away when the incursion begins... But then Namor -not sure what Madman is up to and I wish it was a bit more explained why he's drilling... Need less vagueness right at this point ++Fantastic choice o ++namor stealing the show with his scenes ++Black Panther being some really cool panel time with reconnecting with the old Panther Souls (also his dad looks like a BA) +Almost every hero encounter and dialogue recharge is pitch perfect. +ending of the first issue ++Curve ball of what to be expected right away when the incursion begins... But then Namor -not sure what Madman is up to and I wish it was a bit more explained why he's drilling... Need less vagueness right at this point ++Fantastic choice of color palette on all these scenes. It's stinking from page to page +Doctor's shifting gifts/curses -Tony didn't do anything ha ++Dang Doctor Stephen pulling out the big guns and getting things dark real quick +++Tension of deceiving the date of the new incursion earth. It's done real well. ++Sun God crippled and pleading is....dang rough -namor/panther fighting was a little overdone ++What a build up toward the end.

  28. 5 out of 5

    Peter

    Not quite the ending this intense series needed. I really enjoyed the first two volumes. The Illuminati's constant moral dilemmas as they try and deal with an impossible situation was always enjoyable to read, but the longer this tale has gone on the less interesting it has become. Sure, the nod to the Justice League was fun and the clashes between the two opposing worlds in this volume are interesting, but I really felt the ending was more like a sigh than an explosion. There needed to be more Not quite the ending this intense series needed. I really enjoyed the first two volumes. The Illuminati's constant moral dilemmas as they try and deal with an impossible situation was always enjoyable to read, but the longer this tale has gone on the less interesting it has become. Sure, the nod to the Justice League was fun and the clashes between the two opposing worlds in this volume are interesting, but I really felt the ending was more like a sigh than an explosion. There needed to be more character moments and more consequences, rather than the lackluster ending this volume had. Still, this is a pretty cool diversion from your standard avengers style. It's just not necessarily worth your time.

  29. 5 out of 5

    Villain E

    3.5, maybe. Better than it has been up until now. Something actually happens in this one. Jonothan Hickman's Marvel Universe version of Crisis on Infinite Earths continues. Up until now, the Illuminati have been lucky. The other Earth have been destroyed by outside means, like Galactus, or were already dead. Sure billions still died, but the Illuminati's consciences were clear. Now, after a year and a half of talking about it, they're finally faced with a living Earth and heroes fighting for it. 3.5, maybe. Better than it has been up until now. Something actually happens in this one. Jonothan Hickman's Marvel Universe version of Crisis on Infinite Earths continues. Up until now, the Illuminati have been lucky. The other Earth have been destroyed by outside means, like Galactus, or were already dead. Sure billions still died, but the Illuminati's consciences were clear. Now, after a year and a half of talking about it, they're finally faced with a living Earth and heroes fighting for it. Will they really kill another planet to save their own, now that it's not hypothetical? As Hickman points out in the story, three of these characters are Kings. A ruler chooses the good of their own people over the good of others on a regular basis.

  30. 4 out of 5

    Robert Tyler Davis

    I used to think Namor was some, lame-ass, Aquaman rip-off. A cheap farce of a farcical superhero. Not anymore. So, the universe incursions are reaching a point that our "heroes" are getting desperate. The big brains build a MOAB (Mother Of All Bombs) to destroy an earth, but not their own. They all debate about ethics and morality. A lot of flashbacks make this a little hard to follow. This whole series has a very Tom Clancy type thriller feel to it. Namor does some gangsta shit that pisses off I used to think Namor was some, lame-ass, Aquaman rip-off. A cheap farce of a farcical superhero. Not anymore. So, the universe incursions are reaching a point that our "heroes" are getting desperate. The big brains build a MOAB (Mother Of All Bombs) to destroy an earth, but not their own. They all debate about ethics and morality. A lot of flashbacks make this a little hard to follow. This whole series has a very Tom Clancy type thriller feel to it. Namor does some gangsta shit that pisses off the rest of the Illuminati. Sort of a surprise twist ending was quite nice. I'll keep reading, even if I get lost sometimes.

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